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Topic | Can anybody help a stuck photographer ?
Having some major issues with my computer and the programmes that are on there and i have about 350 400 pics to sort out re touch and send to the two models that have been very understanding about the whole thing.

 I am new to this industry and am trying as much as i am being told but i think my problem is i want to please the models by being quick on the delivery yet i am making mistakes and this is agrivating me Member Image !!!!!

 I think i'm good behind the camera but still a beginner for the re touching side. If anyone can help please contact me either on here or darksideslave@****.com.

 Thank you for reading this
Skippie , Photographer  posted on 24/06/2009 15:20:36   Posted 213 times

Located:High Wycombe,Buckinghamshire, UK
Member Since: 04/06/2009
The best advice I can offer is to limit the number of images you supply to models (assuming these are TF* shoots - if you were paid, well, good luck!), editing 200 images per TF* shoot is way, way, way beyond what is reasonable.

If you had already agreed to supply such a huge number of edited images when you dont know how to use your editing programmes its no wonder that you are in a bit of a pickle.

Otherwise its almost impossible to answer your question without knowing what editing software you are using, what you actually want to acheive in your post-production and what the unedited images look like.

It might be best to just hold your hands up and tell the models that you are simply not able to give them so many edited images, pick out the very best 10 and lightly edit them - at least they will get something.
GaryWallace , Photographer  posted on 24/06/2009 16:08:32   Posted 242 times

Located:bournemouth,Dorset, UK
Member Since: 17/01/2009
I was about to suggest the same. I usually offer 10 "finished" shots from the shoot and that's it. If you're offering 200+ then it should be no more that level/colour balancing. Any retouching can be done at further cost by you or a selected retoucher.
Jholtom67 , Photographer  posted on 24/06/2009 16:14:19   Posted 7 times

Located:Mirfield,West Yorkshire, UK
Member Since: 16/06/2009
Thank you guys for that help that has some what moved some wieght from my mind.
Skippie , Photographer  posted on 24/06/2009 16:36:04   Posted 213 times

Located:High Wycombe,Buckinghamshire, UK
Member Since: 04/06/2009
350,400 pics to sort out re touch ! good luck to the op you may just finish them towards the end of July..............2011.
chris , Photographer  posted on 05/07/2009 21:13:07   Posted 357 times

Located:Cheltenham,Gloucestershire, UK
Member Since: 08/10/2008
Hi Skippie,

I agree with everyone else.  When I test I like to get a nice selection of retouched items, but 400 from one shoot is way more than I could ever use!

Lydia x
LydiaRachael , Make Up Artist  posted on 12/07/2009 17:29:54   Posted 17 times

Located:Doncaster,South Yorkshire, UK
Member Since: 01/10/2008

All I can say is until once you get used to the programmes you are using for the re-touching, just let the models know that they wont be getting the CD for a bit.  Afterall, they should want the images to be as good as they can be also.

That said, you also dont want to make them wait forever; most likely get you a bad name that way.

I have to disagree with the previous comment.  Rather than limiting the images, limit the amount of shoots you undertake (esp TF..) until you can get the turnaround times reduced.  I offer all the models I have shot all the images that have been post processed, but wont undertake more shoots until the  post processing on previous images have been completed.  Doesnt mean that you have to do all 400 of them though!

Hope this helps.
ostudios , Photographer  posted on 12/07/2009 17:41:05   Posted 44 times

Located:Milton Keynes,Buckinghamshire, UK
Member Since: 14/06/2009
It is a problem when shooting a lot of pictures, I only let the model see the best which can be around 25% depending on the model and me!
I am running Lightroom 2 and have speeded up the post-processing a lot, also it is advanced enough to reduce Photoshop work to only rescuing the odd image.

I'm running a course in September for LR2 users so if interested....

sonomaman , Photographer  posted on 12/07/2009 18:09:02   Posted 2 times

Located:Beaconsfield,Buckinghamshire, UK
Member Since: 12/01/2009
You know, maybe I'm being a bit of a dinosaur here, but when I was an active photographer (long before people started calling them "togs") you had to be a bit more conservative in the amount  of film you shot or it became uneconomical. This meant you spent a bit less time clicking the shutter and hoping for a result and a bit more time composing the shot. a friend of mine - who's career as a photographer spanned three decades from the early sixties on -  famously shot only a dozen frames in a three hour session; but every one was perfect. "I paint with light, dear boy" he would say to me...

While digital photography has been an amazingly liberating experience I sometimes feel that it's made us lazy. It's so easy now to just fire off hundreds of shots, auto bracketing and hoping for something good to come out of the scattergun effect. 

Or perhaps frogspawn would be a better analogy...

Am I just being arrogant?  Member Image
Eltham , Digital Retoucher  posted on 15/07/2009 20:55:34   Posted 97 times

Located:Hengoed,Mid Glamorgan, UK
Member Since: 08/04/2009
Send the important ones to me Skippie and I'll see if I can help.

Eltham , Digital Retoucher  posted on 15/07/2009 21:24:00   Posted 97 times

Located:Hengoed,Mid Glamorgan, UK
Member Since: 08/04/2009
Member Imageevery customer is different-some of them r suprised when u tell them then wont get all photos from thei shoots (thats not possible-if a photographer is saing that is lying)...
or if customer is getting all photos photorapher is soring out the best shoots from disc-30%-up to 70% depending how good he is...photos r not retouched, he supposed to minimum double prize for that recorded CD...if not he worked for free...
Dont know u undertood me, but the point is one side and another should have know how many photos are retouched-when model choose a photographer for her shoots she knows already what type of retouche may she expect from him. U must get the best shoots(possitions, lights, etc) as a photographer, and u can say that u can do this same retouch with some of those photos(if model doesnt like that certain photo(because she looks awful...)but never do not retouch all of your work (all pics taken, maybe 4 fun after deadline, then u can send small images to the customer and tell there r still some pics to make their portfolio bigger-what will help u to develope yor skills & get some extra money from previous shoots). U must know what u r doing, models r for modeling, if they pay & at front telling they would like to see all photos - get experience from my previous colegs, if u wont do that u will have a big, big mess....hope I helped..:)
misiaka , Digital Retoucher  posted on 30/07/2009 11:42:44   Posted 7 times

Located:coventry,Warwickshire, UK
Member Since: 29/07/2009
I think 300 is waaaaay too many pictures. When I do a photoshoot, for TF I only edit about 12-14 and it can take a loooooonnnnnngg time, espeshially if the model is covered in tatoos!
KatieOver , Model  posted on 12/09/2009 01:43:25   Posted 26 times

Located:huddersfield,West Yorkshire, UK
Member Since: 12/09/2009
hey skip
one bit of advice is to download some photoshop 'actions'
there are loads of good ones free on the net.
then you assemble the batch and automate - and make some tea whilst your computer does the work.
then you will only have a couple of things to do on each pic to finish....
usually works for me - especially if you are under-exposing - or adding contrast or making b/w.
or you can record your own.....
dalyjk , Photographer  posted on 12/09/2009 08:36:10   Posted 89 times

Located:tadworth,Surrey, UK
Member Since: 25/01/2009
Hey Skippie mate,

Don't worry; listen to the bunch here. Models won't want loads of virtually the same image. Go through them all with a fine toothcombe and slim the list down to say 75 in total and then pick the best of those to work on and let them have.

This goes hand in hand with threads during the week about the quality of port work; bettre to have 5 fab images than 30 mediocre ones. When I shoot a wedding I may take 500-800 images in the day; well I'm certainly not going to show the clients all of them.

Also look at your software; did you shoot in RAW? If there are general adjustments that need to be made, use a batch process (alot of imaging software supports it) to apply some unilateral changes and then just work on the few that need more work. Better still, take Eltham's kind offer to do some work for you.

Hope it works out!

clpuk , Photographer  posted on 12/09/2009 10:40:23   Posted 3 times

Located:Cotswolds,Gloucestershire, UK
Member Since: 10/01/2009
Eltham that is so sweet of you to help Skippie out.
We need more people like you :)

charlotteburrows4 , Model  posted on 12/09/2009 11:08:21   Posted 9 times

Located:Burgess Hill,West Sussex, UK
Member Since: 09/09/2009
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