Hi, I recently photographed a very new amazing model and she's the type who like to stick to her word, very honest and hard working, at the shoot I tried to give her as many tips and my emphases were about her safety and I said a good port is made up of many different looks from different shoots so you should get out there and do as much as work as you can just make sure the tog work is good or what is the point..this is business... and given her figure and interesting and really pretty face I told her she should get paid for her shoots from now on, she told me about two shoots she had planned, and one of them was of a photographer from here with a name which is more like a chat room perv and his port has only one model and the shots are very unprofessional, home/boyfriend privet sort of shots and the angles seemed to be aimed at getting more of .... rather than the composition, she ended up cancelling the shoot on the light of my advice but kept the second appointment with a female tog.
Since then that photographer or what ever he is has been harassing her and trying to hurt her feelings with daily emails telling her how awful I made her look and many other hurtful descriptions  and he's trying to get her down..
so we thinking now it was really a good thing she cancelled that shoot as god knows what or who is this guy is but one thing for sure;he's being nasty and evil...I mean it seems anyone can copy some photos from the internet and start a page and pretend to be a tog, so what do you do to be safe?
I personally recommend getting references with links to previous models they worked with and a mobile number and calling it just to make sure they're not just another profile made up by the same tog!

Agreed, sensible advice.

I would also recommend that the model in question reports this harassment to the moderators.  This behaviour is unacceptable.

GC

GCImages , Photographer  posted on 09/07/2010 12:43:48   Posted 663 times

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Member Since: 03/10/2009

Always get independant refs from models that the photographer has worked with...
I'm amazed at the number of models that have come out to work & stay with me in Spain that haven't although I always tell them to!

yep I would be amazed to know the actual figure. considering that Spain is the number 1 choice for certain kind of criminals to escape to.

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yep I would be amazed to know the actual figure. considering that Spain is the number 1 choice for certain kind of criminals to escape to.

Well in my case I think 5 this year!

I'm just curious though why don't use Spanish models! it's cheaper and easier!

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I'm just curious though why don't use Spanish models! it's cheaper and easier!

Believe me I wish I could...
When I moved out 3 years back I met other artists who told me "you can't find models in Spain!"
Having poo-pooed the idea then, I now have to agree - so far I've worked with 2 Spanish girls (although one of them was actually East German & only spoke German & Russian!) - otherwise I have recruited some older & curvy ex-pats who are great, but do need some younger more agile models occassionally.

Fortunately all models that have worked with me have left very favourable open feedback on other model websites, so I generally tend to recruit from there as well as re-employing models I have already worked with of course.

quoting: I would also recommend that the model in question reports this harassment to the moderators.  This behaviour is unacceptable.

GC

we both have!

Ali

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Believe me I wish I could...
When I moved out 3 years back I met other artists who told me "you can't find models in Spain!"
Having poo-pooed the idea then, I now have to agree - so far I've worked with 2 Spanish girls (although one of them was actually East German & only spoke German & Russian!) - otherwise I have recruited some older & curvy ex-pats who are great, but do need some younger more agile models occassionally.

Fortunately all models that have worked with me have left very favourable open feedback on other model websites, so I generally tend to recruit from there as well as re-employing models I have already worked with of course.

maybe it's just me not being familiar with taking models abroad procedure but if you offering pay I would find hard to accept that it's tough finding models in spain considering how open minded they are about art I'm not saying it's not true it's just too weird, on another level and assuming if spain managed to produce porn and porn stars then they surly can produce artists models for more conservative models/performers etc..although you don't have to explain anything but as far as I'm concerned it's a very weak reason you offered.

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maybe it's just me not being familiar with taking models abroad procedure but if you offering pay I would find hard to accept that it's tough finding models in spain considering how open minded they are about art I'm not saying it's not true it's just too weird, on another level and assuming if spain managed to produce porn and porn stars then they surly can produce artists models for more conservative models/performers etc..although you don't have to explain anything but as far as I'm concerned it's a very weak reason you offered.

Spain is a large country which has changed a lot over the last 50 years since Franco & is now in some ways a very modern country & in others still very much behind the times.
Of course Spain is full of great artists - think of El Greco, Picasso, Dali, etc. and there are strong art movements in parts of Spain - Barcelona, Madrid, Granada, Seville...

But the part that I live is culturally poor. 
The locals are peasant farm workers - & I don't use the phrase disparagingly as they are proud to call themselves that - and work hard growing vegetables, whilst the large, mainly retired, ex-pat population are generally happy to be bar-flies and drink non-taxed alcohol all day!

Locally they are trying to push art - my town hall sponsored a month long exhibition of my work recently - but they teach life drawing in schools using statues!?

It is the fundamental right for Spanish to be naked at any time and they don't worry about nudity at all, but trying to find models is altogether different.
Through various forums I have been in contact with many over Spain, but it is more expensive for a model to visit me from Ibiza than from UK!

And language can be a problem too - although I'm trying to learn Spanish very quickly, it doesn't make communicating very easy when a model only speaks Spanish & we have to keep using on-line translators.

S if you can find me some Spanish artists models please do!

But I hope I'm not detecting any regard of me as some sort of rogue into anything other than art? 

I'm just trying to make sense of it really!!!
you living it so it's clearer to you but not for me, thanks for explaining that. it does make a little more sense and who am I to judge! I do tend to over question everything but for a good reason; I started this thread and everyone is welcomed to contribute but since it was about safety and you posted regarding offering to take Female models abroad, one can't help question it especially it seamed as if you used this thread to advertise your offer and add credibility to your offer using my thread and what I've written which is something I really didn't like so much, nevertheless anyone is welcomed to write anything within reason and site rules and everyone is blessed with a brain (in different capacities) to make-up their own mind. I didn't suggested anything but I did ask for an explanation which I found myself unable to accept easily maybe because I'm not familiar with Spain or using models from the uk to take abroad.

P.s it would be really appreciated if we go back to the main thread subject.

I eat his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti.

just in addition to the comments (all sound advice too) on safety I would also recommend taking an appropriate chaperone where possible/required.  I'll agree that a chaperone isn't always necessary for all shoots but it can go a long way towards raising safety (and comfort) levels.

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just in addition to the comments (all sound advice too) on safety I would also recommend taking an appropriate chaperone where possible/required.  I'll agree that a chaperone isn't always necessary for all shoots but it can go a long way towards raising safety (and comfort) levels.

If you know you're going to need a chaperone, then why are you going to the shoot in the first place.

The older I get, the more I realise that chaperones are for the models too lazy to do a bit of research on the photographer they are planning to work with.



Jeremy

Quoting post from Ellorae
just in addition to the comments (all sound advice too) on safety I would also recommend taking an appropriate chaperone where possible/required.  I'll agree that a chaperone isn't always necessary for all shoots but it can go a long way towards raising safety (and comfort) levels.

Who are you expecting ? Hannibal Lecter.

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Who are you expecting ? Hannibal Lecter.

lol even Hannibal Lecter may have references..you know from other lectors!! lol but he may not like being asked for it though...so don't even dare to ask...just ruuuunnnn

on a seriouse note, I did accept champerones when I first started but now I just don't. even though I would miss out on a few models who insist..I shot enough models naked and in sexy cloth for a full day and it never got anyless civilized and it's always been can you do this or that please..thank you etc..
I still got a few shoots photos where third of them they turned out of the model looking at her mate the same mate she told me "oh yeah I'm very comfortable with her"...because she's being slightly insecure or embarrassed for whatever reason, (I know professional models do freeze and look at the camera but a lot aren't pro's who need the same instructions again and again before you click that button every single time)..references yes and chaperones is a no if the tog has done a lot and it's obvious) references and chaperones are both a yes if the tog is new (put up with it).
I'm pretty sure a lot of togs are ok with those companions but personally I like to have the models attention focused on my instructions and the shoot and nothing else so I don't care..she's alone in the actuall studio with me and the MUA (if 1 is available) ..or nothing.

I must admit that I do worry for the girls safety having a daughter myself I would hate to think of her going on a shoot alone. I have worked with models that I have never even seen before and they turn up on there own.
I have also worked with models that bring a boyfriend or girlfriend (that was good the other girl insisted that I took some pics of her to. I did recently have one girl from Sussex turn up with her Uncle but I really think he was a purv as soon as the girl took her closes off he was in the bathroom for a good look. I also like to know that the model gets home safely when she travels alone and ask for a text so that I can feel at ease. Most togs can provide ref's from models they have worked with.

Not to be biast and for the sake of safety I have to guess if a tog have messed up in any shoots the tog will only provide references from models he/she know will give a good reference! what about the shoots he messed up if any!
two other things:
the model should get an address, leave it with someone and agree to do a check call or text or a code when she arrives and send that text after she/he make sure everything is ok, and make sure the address she attends is the address that was given.
I do the same with models who travel alone and I ask them to come as early as they can so we finish in daylight for the same reason.

Last thing though, it does work the other way round, I have had one stunning model who turned up to be on coke (no offence to all coke heads on here if any) and I had to do the shoot even though she's.... but after the shoot we got talking about togs and photos etc..and she told me she fell out with a tog and she called the police and accused him of rape and she started laughing (proper cartoonish evil laugh) while I was looking at her in horror lol..I was even more nice to her after that and made sure I took her back to the station and we were under CCTV while she kissed me goodbye!!

Just had a thought though, in reality people can tell if someone is a bit off tog or no tog and working with a photographer for a few hours and considering the type of our work..models can tell almost straight away if the tog is dudgy etc..so references should really do (reference means more than one and questions should be asked about him/her regarding personality attitude and everything). I think this is good enough measure along the safety call and making sure its the right address, agreed ?