When shooting for a TFCD do you shoot in raw and send CD ofJpeg's later, or just shoot in jpeg and copy to a disk on the day?

you should have an option to shoot on both, Raw for you jpeg for them, thats what I do, and models no longer get all raw photos as they're captured as they tend to publish them without going through your retouching process so your name is stuck on photos you haven't approved of, or they publish it and don't credit you/me/tog. I batch process them using bridge/P.s which adds watermark and compress them then I send all photos so they can choose from them anything they like. but that's my own method.Hope it helps.
Ali

I shoot both, small file JPegs and raw.
TF* or if I am paid.


Just my opinion!
After all what do I know?

"Heaven is a close reach!
Pulled along by a warm force 3/4
in flat water, with a firm horizon."

Personally I shoot in RAW for every shoot I do whether paid, TF* or just for fun.

Usually I choose about 6 shots from a TF* shoot, edit them and send them as web-ready jpegs within anything from a few hours to a couple of weeks. Hi-res jpegs by request also by email.

Whatever you do its important that its clear from the very start. Everyone is different and we all have our own way of doing things - do what is right for you.

Regardless of whether it's trade or paid I only give people the finished full processed files that I am happy with. i.e. TIFF or JPEG depending on client.

I always shoot in RAW, do basic batch processing and let the client look at a (large 100 ) edited list - i.e. I've edited out awkward poses, closed eyes, out of focus, too many too similar, flash didn't fire etc etc. - to let me know what they would like me to work on. If I have to do this in the studio then I will shoot RAW and JPEG at the same time as the files load quicker and show them in Adobe Bridge. 
 
I generally do between 10-20 fully finished hi res JPEGS for models (maybe more if the processing is minimal) - a mix of full length, 3/4 and head shots. For magazines 3-4 for each look in the story. For trade/TF I agree the minimum number of fully processed shots in advance so there are no surprises. Unless it's a significant magazine editorial or catalogue why does anyone need more than a handful of pictures?? They'll just sit on a hard drive. 

If a model asked for the complete set of RAW files or even all the JPEGS unedited I'd question just how professional they were (and say no). Also, does someone also really need to walk out of the studio with a CD? Give me some time to edit and process!! I normally turn a couple of samples round in a day or two and the rest in a week depending how busy.

I'm finding myself agreeing with everything you say word for word again, although I haven't worked for magazines or high profile clients yet but it does make sense, as far as models concerned Ideally models will get the ones I choose because I'm the photographer and I'm in charge of the final look of the photos and therefore it's down to me to decide what is best ones but I try to accommodate requests just to be nice, the more experienced the model is the likelihood she wont ask for all of them and the models I Hire they don't even ask for the finished photos, they ask to be credited on that model site, but I work with lots of new models who are eager to have as many as they can get and also to look back again at the shoot and learn from it so I used to say yes but after a few bad experiences one of which one model took an expensive 4gb memory stick and never gave it back and published all photos un-retouched and without crediting me in the same day-some models will take you for a ride-but since then I just add a BIG watermark if I felt like being nice and send them all which is something really no photographer should be obligated to do for tf or no tf.

I've got no problem giving people full size un-watermarked photos (I know we have another thread for whether watermarks are good marketing, crass, or necessary protection - so we'll leave that well alone!).

I just don't see why someone needs 50 photos from the same shoot......let alone un-processed ones. Wouldn't they rather have a handful of really good, mutually picked shots that have had some real time put into them in post?

Each to their own!

I agree but new models don't understand that and there isn't a written rule somewhere to refer them to, and when you work with a model and she's being very polite and doing everything you asking her to (poses/cloth changes etc) and even though it's to her benefit but it still feels hard to say no when she asks for something like that..so in a way this thread is good to have so you can refer models to..not that our word in not credible enough but 2 or 3 is even better!

You're right sometimes less experienced models don't understand, more reason to discuss and agree these things before the shoot.

I had a shoot several months back where the model on a test asked to see the 'raw' images, I said I didn't let anyone see the RAW files because they were unprocessed and she said that she didn't want to work with me then. Fine I said. 

A few conversations later and we worked out that she didn't know the RAW I was referring to was a file format, and I didn't realise that she meant 'raw' as the unedited shots.....it's good to talk!!

We worked together and it was great.

lol that was a funny.
I just had a conversation with a model and I asked her what's her levels and genres etc and she said she does glamour but not lingerie! which got me scratching my head...I just said well glamour involves wearing lingerie so what you saying doesn't click and I think you have the wrong idea what is glamour..you probably want to do fashion or/and commercial but not glamour if you don't want to show skin...she agreed and I sent her couple of links to wiki with good luck wishes..

I used to shoot Raw but spoke to Brightonian who only ever shoots JPegs. If its good enough for John its good enough for me. I then edit every image that i think i can make a good final image from and give the model them all resized which means one edit. Most models only want to upload not put in a book. If they want full size i save and then save as web size. All images in Jpeg. The resized are then small enough to email or transfer in MSN or i send a disc if they wish.
I never give images on the day as they are not finished and probaly not good enough whats the point. I owe it to the model to make the best of the images if they have taken the trouble to shoot for free.
Thats the way i work.
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GlossyPinkLipstick , Photographer  posted on 08/07/2010 21:54:44   Posted 276 times

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Always Raw. Then choose shots with model. Edit and put onto CD for them.
I even shoot Raw with the shots I take of the family.

Agreed, I always shoot in RAW. Don't bother with RAW JPEG either because every RAW file (at least from my Canon cameras) includes a JPEG thumbnail anyway.

So I upload the RAW files to my PC and then use dcraw to extract the JPEG thumbnails. Not sure why they are called thumbnails since they are actually full size images.

I then use the JPEGs to show the uneditied photos quickly and use the RAW to generate the final, edited, photos. Best of both worlds.

Almost without exception, I shoot in both RAW and fine Jpeg. The only downside of shooting in anything other than Jpeg alone, is the speed, or rather, the lack of it, to write to the card.

Quoting post from RichardE
Almost without exception, I shoot in both RAW and fine Jpeg. The only downside of shooting in anything other than Jpeg alone, is the speed, or rather, the lack of it, to write to the card.

it's silly not to shoot RAW when anyone have the option to, as far as speed concerned you need to spend the money on fast cards, for certain action shots I shoot 8 frames per seconds and the card copes with it fine, also it used to take up to 4 seconds to upload each photo to my pc and I was really disappointed with it then found out that it's not the camera or the card, it's the PC, after getting a new one with the new USB3 it takes under 1 seconds for each photo, the speed is so high that we don't get a chance to see the preview of each photo downloaded before another one flashes on the screen. get a minimum of 45mbps UDMA SanDisk and you laughing.

If a client pays do you still watermark all your images and make your jpegs web ready sizes?
or do you give the Raw size?
Im still learning hope im making sense.

Full size Jpeg without watermark and a optional web size,  for paying clients.

 you give them the images you agreed to for that rate, sometimes I upload all of the shoot photos to my extenal server in one rar file then send a link, especially for paying clients they heavily watermarked and compressed so they can choose from them if we couldn't at the time of the shoot but the final ones which has been processed/airbrushed are not watermarked and they get it in full size...never give a paying client all photos unless they paying for all of them and you agreed to it before hand.

I always shoot in Raw as the results are better when you have to enhance their features, ie spots, slimming down etc.

I only give a hi-res JPEG version unless they are doing the post production themselves.
Best Wishes
Alaina

Alaina

BA (Hons) PhotoMedia; LBIPP; LMPA.